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Rick Gore's avatar

Josh - you almost got a body count because I was laughing so hard reading this I had trouble breathing. Well done!

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Colin Chaudhuri's avatar

Liberal who grew up in Massachusetts here (Longmeadow, MA to be specific). Can't emphasize enough how much the Kennedy love is generational as opposed to Lib vs. Con. If you look at RFK jr.'s approval, I suspect of the Democrats who are currently supporting him are likely older Democrats (and outside of the Sacks/Musk ratf**ckery the Republicans who support him are probably older too).

Given where I grew up and where I went to school (government major at William & Mary, so had classes and was friends with a lot of political nerds who were decidedly left of center), you would think there would be a lot of Kennedy love. I'm proud to say nope! I'd say among my group of friends (again mostly a left of center bunch), if you were to ask who the most overrated President is, I suspect the answer will to a person be JFK*.

Two anecdotes to serve my point. Do you remember the movie Chappaquidick? I actually thought it was quite good. But I remember the directors had an interview I listened to where they remarked upon that generational divide. I'm not sure if it was whether they were talking about speaking to older producers or just general public. But they said they were baffled by the number of older people trying to defend Ted Kennedy's actions***. You don't have to buy in the right-wing conspiracy theories to believe a) Ted did something untoward that night even if it wasn't murder and should have resulted in the end of his political career b) the Kennedy name and specifically his dad is what kept him out of further trouble**.

Second, see the movie JFK. Oliver Stone is (famously) a pretty left-wing person and yet of all the most ludicrous things he tried to argue in the movie, the idea that JFK was this superhero who was going to keep us out of Vietnam is perhaps the most ludicrous (that's saying something). The man was basically fully on board with a military coup against President Ngo Dinh Diem. This is the guy who was going to keep us out of the conflict? Puh-leeze!

* You actually left out some stuff! And maybe some of the most egregious. Namely, that there is a pretty credible accusation that JFK pimped a 19 year old intern to aides and tried to pimp her to perform sexual acts with Ted Kennedy. https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/mimi-and-the-president

** I loved the fact that they made the "big bad" in the last season of Peaky Blinders Jack Kennedy. Of course, in the show he's named "Jack Nelson" because there's no way the Kennedy clan would be on board with a show that made Jack Kennedy out to be the mob boss of Boston. But to me it makes it even better as there's no need to tiptoe around family sensibilities and instead the writers had free reign to just let the Jack Kennedy character just essentially be 1930s classic gangster. Two side notes on this. The show went as far as to directly quote a real letter Kennedy wrote to FDR to basically highlight "hey we may not fully know the extent of Kennedy's right-wing sympathies and mob connections, but we know there is something there". Last and most important side note. WATCH PEAKY BLINDERS! Loved this show.

***I will semi defend Ted Kennedy as a senator in that he really was quite influential in getting a lot of progressive policy passed that I think has done an enormous amount of good for this country and policy that may not have passed without him. Of course, he has a key role to play in US not getting some version of universal health care, a role that he acknowledged and regretted in later years.

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